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aka Craig Dower

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Mazda RX-7 Article Names Edit

I thought the FD chassis codes coupled with the model years were more than adequate. Literally noone except for hardcore JDM car nerds know the cars by their revision names, especially in a site that is catered to AAA racing titles. I know that some articles such as the BMW, Corvette and Nissan articles use internal codenames but that's because they're commonly mentioned by car media sites, in various video games and so on.

I think it's for the best that we use established terms for names, whether they're model years or chassis codes, as most visitors only care about getting information as quickly as possible. Another thing I'd like to mention is that you should discuss bigger car article changes first before publishing them. Not everyone agrees with someone about something. -- CMAN122 (talk)  12:54, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

It's easier to differentiate and gives a clearer indication of a difference between the two FD model articles through the use of a revision number, that's what they're used for. It's also easier to search, link, mention, and for readers to retain information in articles with a concise model rather than a load of numbers; Series 6 and Series 8 just reads better than 1992-1995 and 1999-2002. Chassis codes has always been the way to go; if we didn't we'd have the Porsche 911 GT3 RS (2006-2009) and Porsche 911 GT3 RS (2009-2011).
"noone except for hardcore JDM car nerds know the cars by their revision names", Wikipedia has them slapped all over their article. We've not got a Forza or Gran Turismo game to deal with, we can afford to be descriptive with our cars because we're an encyclopedia for the Need for Speed series. No-one wants to visit the site and get nothing more than what they see on the screen. We should be striving to produce a unique website for our fandom of the Need for Speed series for those that are fans, not falling back into the grey mush of "it'll do" for skim readers. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 13:21, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
Where did I say that we shouldn't use chassis codes? That was not the point. I said we should change between chassis codes and model years in a way that would make the articles easier to find, not make them appealing to skim readers only. If we only go by chassis codes, then it would be much harder to navigate the Volkswagen Golf articles on Wikipedia for readers that are new to the cars, as the naming scheme got twisted with the Mk6 model. The Audi TT 8J and 8N do that, as the latter actually describes the first generation model - most would initially assume the opposite.
Obviously you can't say the same about the RX-7's model revision names although they're too technical I think. If you show the articles to someone who likes the NFS games but isn't that knowledgable in cars, most would probably assume that the "Series 6" is the facelift model and the "Series 8" being an update of such or similar instead of being the successor to the "Series 5" FC model. This shows that you must be familiar with Mazda's cars before you can be absolutely sure that you'll find the car that you've been looking for. -- CMAN122 (talk)  15:04, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
It still follows the blog post of keeping the article name as simple as it needs to be. I didn't go back and start changing the FC Series 5 article title because we don't need any more description, but if a Series 4 turned up, we would have to differentiate. I'm keeping to the post, but we don't need a full production period in the title when there's some form of differentiating the base model given by the manufacturer. I've not touched the final two either as there isn't any other RZ or Spirit R featured in the Need for Speed series.
MazdaRX-7(FC)(Series 5) BMWNew Six CS 3.0 CSL(E9)
MazdaRX-7(FD)(Series 6) BMW3 Series (318is)(E30)
MazdaRX-7(FD)(Series 8) BMWM3 Evolution II(E30)
MazdaRX-7 RZ(FD)(Series 8) BMWM3 Sport Evolution III(E30)
MazdaRX-7 Spirit R (Type A)(FD)(Series 8) BMWM3(E36)
BMWM3 GTR(E46) (Road)
BMWM3 GT2(E92)
For the Audi TT, just change then to Mk; Audi TT 3.2 quattro (Mk1), Audi TT 3.2 quattro (Mk2), Audi TT RS (Mk2). I don't know who at Volkswagen Audi made that call, but I want you want - easier reading and navigation, but we're stuck in this 20 years stint of games that each name their cars differently.
I'm not looking to fight with you on this, I want the people that are going through the game specific car list or the game specific section of a car article to be able to know what car we're linking to based on what they know from the game, and I want the people that like specific cars to be able to find that car or find out more about all the trims that make up that car.
I'm also not purposely picking the BMW 3 series as an example because it's German, it's just because there's a lot of them.SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 15:52, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
The Series x names are simple for being numerical successions and rolling off the tongue more easily but go too deep into the manufacturer's nomenclature. It's a good idea to let people find out more about the cars although you can do just that in the articles. The majority of NFS players most likely know about the RX-7 being a 90s car. The model year names might look busier than the model revisions but immediately point out players to the cars they're looking for. In that case, we have the export version which ceased production in 1995. After that, we only have JDM models.
Believe it or not, I'm not doing these discussions to pick up a fight. This sort of thing tends to happen whenever someone feels like changing something that was just recently up for discussion, thinking it would be OK because they thought so. I'm not saying we should do discussions for cleanup makeovers and such but rather for more "controversial" stuff like changes to article names and type of content. For such changes we can do a blog or forum post or whatever and then do things according to the community's wishes. -- CMAN122 (talk)  20:19, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Spike ArticleEdit

Why was my edit removed from the 'Spike' page? UDaRealMVP01 (talk) 10:46, February 4, 2016 (UTC) MVP

It failed to follow the manual of style. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 13:09, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
But, you couldn't edit it to make it correct? UDaRealMVP01 (talk) 13:12, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
Could you just edit correctly? SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 13:28, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
If I did something wrong, there's no need to go and just remove it altogether. Isn't the point of a wikia that we all contribute, not just deleting someone's edit, because they did it wrong? UDaRealMVP01 (talk) 21:15, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but we want good edits, so we revert the bad ones and keep the quality of content up. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 21:29, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
What was wrong with mine? I merely brought up a topic that hadn't been reported just yet (surprisingly). I thought it was something pretty cool and interesting, so I came to a wikia to report it. Bam, hadn't even been up for an hour and it's gone because I'm not the best at wording things, or even working a wikia. What now? Have we got to wait for someone else to notice it and report it CORRECTLY because I'm not good enough to report on this wikia? Quality asides, there was nothing stopping you from rewording what I did wrong UDaRealMVP01 (talk) 21:32, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
If you read the manual of style, you'd know what we want from editors here. It's not difficult. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 21:41, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
What I get from this is "Here's an aweome wikia that everyone can contribute to, but hey! If you are unaware of this manual of style page, or you spell something wrong, Fuck you! There goes your post!" UDaRealMVP01 (talk) 21:45, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

They're all like that. You can either read it, follow its guidelines, and edit here or not bother editing here at all. This is also your first and final warning with the vulgar language. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 21:58, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Alright then Colonel Sanders. Tell me exactly what was wrong with my edit. Right here UDaRealMVP01 (talk) 00:23, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
It wasn't written in third person, it broke a nav template, it wasn't bullet pointed as all other trivia sections are, you added it wantiing others to check your wording because you were too lazy to check yourself, and didn't explain any aspect that "Deal With It" is a meme. Very poor edit. Are you going to be useful or keep this conversation about your incompetence going? SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 00:36, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Well I'm sorry I have a life outside of some silly online site and I'm not the best at editing a stupid wiki. It wasn't lazy. I didn't have any idea on what on earth I was doing, and you don't exactly get help, either. I saw something ingame that I wanted to report, and that doesn't usually happen often, I don't get a lot of time to play my games and when I do, seeing something that someone else hasn't is a miracle. I would say get a job, but I have the suspection that SOMEHOW, you are PAID to do this. UDaRealMVP01 (talk) 00:50, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Jaguar F-Type R TeaserEdit

I would like your opinion before I add this to the videos and page, but with the upcoming release of the Jaguar F-Type R Coupé in Need for Speed: No Limits, the only promotional image from the official social media site was a teaser video of the car as a gif on their twitter page, however, when I downloaded it, it turned out to be an MP4 file. So for now, I've uploaded it to youtube as unlisted as a placeholder video/image. What do you think I should do with it? SmallAlisaIcon Angeloky SmallSapphireIcon 14:56, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Make the article, and add what you've found so far to it. It's all good stuff. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 15:05, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

NFSNL icons Edit

OK, gotta ask - where did you get the icon images that you've uploaded for the various NFS No Limits Gameplay section? (Fuel, Cash, Blueprints, Gold)  Snagging in game assets from a high res Android device, and they're not nearly as crisp, though the images themselves are also slightly different than what you've got. (Just checked my iOS device, and looks like the in game icons match what's in the Android version.)  This might be another case of soft launch vs. post-launch, or you could be a Photoshop guru. :-)

Manthas (talk) 21:24, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

They were captured from various videos of the soft-launch game, and later corrected in photoshop. You can alter them if you feel the need to. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 21:26, February 23, 2016 (UTC)
No worries at all, I was just curious! The ones that are up there are good, I was just planning to add the missing Visual Points icon, but I am definitely not a Photoshop/GIMP guy, so if it is too messy/blurry, just let me know and I can pull it back down. Manthas (talk) 21:51, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

NFS No Limits La Ferrari Edit

Hi, you mentioned that blueprints can be purchased in the tournament store, but I don't see them there. Can you verify please? 00:14, February 25, 2016 (UTC)user25

Reward Cards Edit

Thanks for fixing it. It's apparently a problem with the base template, which causes broken coding when using the source editor. Do you have any idea on how to fix the template? Otherwise, it probably only means that we should just use the rich-text editor for this one. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 21:22, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. It's an uncommon issue that only seems to occur with a very few number of editors. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 21:54, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

NFSNL No capitalization of 'tail lights' Edit

Thanks for the cleanup of the couple items that weren't quite right in my most recent update on the main NFSNL page, but I'm curious why "tail lights" was de-capitalized, as it then becomes inconsistent with the rest of the components in the list.  All of the items are all in full caps within the game's UI, FYI. Manthas (talk) 22:49, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Ford AUEdit

Lemans Racer,

I noticed that my edited pages were removed, did you by any chance read the post I put in the Ford AU page as it explained my reasoning for adjusting the ford falcon pages. After the year of 1972 ford Australia design & built it's falcons separately to ford USA.

Kind Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) .
Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Please don't create unwarranted articles without provided a sufficient reason to break up content. Consider this your first warning. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 23:16, March 23, 2016 (UTC)
The Ford Cars require 2 Categories Ford (USA) & Ford (Aus) please refer to attached link [1], the ford falcons in need for speed are not American.
paragraph from Link - "Nevertheless, it is best known in more recent times for having produced the Falcon, originally a US model introduced in Australia in 1960, but adapted to Australian requirements and road conditions. Since the release of the XA model in 1972, Falcons have been fully Australian designed."
US - falcons prior to 1972
Aus - falcons After 1972
StigBelcher (talk) 02:41, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
You've been disruptively editing various articles for most of March, and attempting to split the Ford article up without informing any staff member before hand. Disruptive editing is a blockable offense; please be aware of our editing guidelines, and the PREVIEW button before committing any further edits. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 10:53, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

Infractions Edit

Hey LeMans, the reason why I created the Infraction page two weeks ago is that it is present as a redlink on multiple pages (even in the PursuitNav template), and it isn't exclusive to the RPD. Do you think that we should create the page but make it a redirect to this, or should we remove the Infractions redlinks altogether? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:39, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

The Infractions article should include a disambiguation linking to appropriate sections of the multiple police agencies, as each game features different infractions and each should be treated individually from another.
Like you've highlighted, there should be an Infractions section within the RPD, PPD, TCBPD, etc. articles to help keep gameplay relating to each game within a sort of content bubble for that entire game, and avoid mixing content that can confuse aspects that may differ between games.
It may say Offences within the RPD article, but you can correct where needed as it was written a long time ago.SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 14:52, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Burnout wiki Edit

OK, Burnopedia is really messy. I need you, LeMansRacer! Make all pages of Burnopedia perfect! Alexanderthenicest (talk) 08:11, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not an admin there. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 09:56, April 5, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, but the admins are inactive Alexanderthenicest (talk) 11:54, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

How to clean up the Chevrolet Caprice (4th Generation) page Edit

I forget but can you tell me how to clean up the page for the Chevrolet Caprice (4th Generation) I thought I ask you instead of argue with you like should I remove something or no? Red Polar Bear Ranger (talk) 00:03, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Check out the Manual of Style. You don't need to read the entire thing, just everything that is related to your edit.
The gameplay section looks fine but could use two separate paragraphs for each, the police and cab versions. Clear presentation is important and makes reading easier. Regarding the introduction part, it's way too long though. I understand that you might be enthusiastic about a particular car but don't forget that every article must be treated equally in terms of depth content. The intro should basically tell the readers all main aspects of the car irl. Smaller details are generally to be avoided unless they are relevant to game appearance.
Some examples: Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR (straight to the point, it could use some technical information but that's optional), Mazda RX-7 (FD) (Series 6) (the only reason why we added all model revisions is because they also appear in NFS, you could do the same for the Caprice (police and maybe cab if it is a factory spec model)). -- CMAN122 (talk)  10:28, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Caprice article Edit

Excuse me are you forgetting I'm also admin here too I wanted to say that I was editing the article based on what CMAN122 told me to do in order to clean it up. I got rid of the info that wasn't up to standards to make it based on what lead to the car's appearance in NFS HS & PU I created the article and we need to work together as a team not against each other understand? One more thing I don't have poor English either I come from America where I speak English very well so please watch your tongue BTW I will reupload all the pictures that I had uploaded in PNG as JPGs. Red Polar Bear Ranger (talk) 00:43, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

I should have stated that your English writing skills are very poor. Unfortunately, you are an admin, and we do need to work together to help the weak links. Would you rather be helpful or a hindrance, because CMAN's given you a referral to the manual of style, and even gone as far as correcting your previous work. I've replaced the cleanup template several times following the noticeable evidence that you can only form run on sentences, and surprising use of punctuation. Our readers may be of a younger demographic, but that doesn't mean we should write as if we're 9. We take pride in our teamwork, don't bring us all down when we've been so patient with you, and made what you're contributing legible. SmallFinnIconLeMansRacerSmallJakeIcon 02:03, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Ok and speaking of writing I seen some misspelling here & there. Can you give me a detailed plan about how we can do this? BTW, I have been a NFS fan since I was 15 years old for 16 years now. I also thought you were being a hindrance with some editing. I wanted to apologize for that I don't go editing as if I'm a vandal. I do my best to give articles the most accurate info that I can give. Red Polar Bear Ranger (talk) 04:32, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Let me apologise for LeMansRacer's rude attitude. You've definitely shown improvement which is more than enough for me. It's not like one gets better overnight and that's OK. I've rewritten the article just to give you an idea on how to do it. Here's what I done:
  • The introduction part starts with the production years and body styles of the Caprice. After that, I gave more details about the car including the B-body platform and the special models. After that came the model year changes and at last the discontinuation of the model.
    • As much as I like GM's small block V8s, I've decided to remove the Impala SS as it has no real relevance to the NFS series.
  • The gameplay section starts with the appearance of NPC drivers, which is followed by player unlocks. I've separated the Pursuit Corvette unlock from the other paragraph to give our readers a better presentation of the page.
    • I've removed the details about the taxi model because it is obvious. A taxi is yellow and has taxi things but everyone knows that already.
    • I've removed the second sentence from the Porsche Unleashed section, because I think it's better to say what exactly is different on the car. You could mention the model differences in the Trivia section, as it has no real weight in terms of gameplay.
Apart from that, make sure to write "efficiently." You don't need to repeat details multiple times within a sentence, your readers know what you mean. By doing that, you will automatically make your sentences shorter and your article won't look cluttered up. Also avoid using & instead of the real word. I know that we tend to use abbreviations when writing normally but it's better for us to be more formal on wikis. -- CMAN122 (talk)  10:56, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Join my wiki!Edit

Can you please join the CLG Wikia Dream Logos? I promise I'll make you an admin. Sonic2007 (talk) 16:36, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

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